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InnleggSkrevet: 06 10 09 20:22    Tittel: Eksisterte Mu og Atlantis samtidig? Svar med Sitat

Dette kartet må nok betegnes som spekulativt:



Og det finnes indikasjoner på at Atlantis var en fysisk del av Mu før de druknet i havet ("Syndefloden"?), så sagnene stammer kanskje fra samme fysiske kontinent. Men det dreier seg muligens om forskjellige kulturer på samme kontinent?

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Ja, meget tvilsomt. Ellers er myten om Atlantis spennende. Dette høyutviklede folket. Det som er interessant er at den samme myten kan vi høre fra indianere i Sør-Amerika. De kan berette om et folk som kom til dem ved hjelp at mekaniske fugler. Som var hvite i huden som guder. Cool (Etter hva jeg husker fra et program på National Geographics for en del år tilbake)

Her er ellers et kart over kontinentene for rundt 220 millioner år siden.
(Late-Triassic period9



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Belisarius skrev:
Ja, meget tvilsomt. Ellers er myten om Atlantis spennende. Dette høyutviklede folket. Det som er interessant er at den samme myten kan vi høre fra indianere i Sør-Amerika. De kan berette om et folk som kom til dem ved hjelp at mekaniske fugler. Som var hvite i huden som guder. Cool (Etter hva jeg husker fra et program på National Geographics for en del år tilbake)
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Ja Atlantismyten er interessant. Og seiglivet, Belisarius.
En som forsket inngående på myten og forsøkte å gi den geologisk og paleontologisk kjøtt på beina, var den brasilianske kjernefysikeren prof. Arysio Nunes dos Santos, han skrev bl.a:

All nations, of all times, believed in the existence of a Primordial Paradise where Man originated and developed the first civilization ever. This story, real and true, is told in the Bible and in Hindu Holy Books such a the Rig Veda, the Puranas and many others. That this Paradise lay "towards the Orient" no one doubts, excepting some die-hard scientists who stolidly hold that the different civilizations developed independently from each other even in such unlikely, late places such as Europe, the Americas or the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. This, despite the very considerable contrary evidence that has developed from essentially all fields of the human sciences, particularly the anthropological ones. It is mainly on those that we base our arguments in favor of the reality of a pristine source of human civilization traditionally called Atlantis or Eden, etc..
Arysio Nunes dos Santos skrev:
FOOTNOTE: We emphasize, once again, that our theory, though superficially reembling those of the Theosophists, the Velikovskians, Pole-Shiftists and son, has nothing to do with them, as they are all strictly scientific and founded on actual fact, rather than on religion or Tradition alone. Theosophists derive their wisdom from Mme. Blavatsky, a Russian lady who, in the 1860's moved to India, where she founded the theosophical Society, which had a considerable following among the intellectuals of the time. Blavatsky was an extremely intelligient person, and soon amassed an immense mass of knowledge of Hindu and other esoteric tradition, which she published in books such as The Secret Doctrine and the Veil of Isis, which became extremely popular, even today. But her writings seem an undigested version of the esoteric doctrines of Buddhism, Hinduism, and other religions and Occult doctrines,mingled to some pseudo-science which she obtained from the geological textbooks of the time, which would allprove wrong in the course of time.

Pole Shift is sheer unscientific bumcombe that holds no water. It is impossible on both physical and geological grounds, as we explain elewhere in detail. These ideas were originally ppularized by Charles Hapgood, and survive in writers such as John White and Graham Hancock. Rather than scientists, these authors are journalists, whose specialty is precisely rendering palatable to the public what are usually government lies and propaganda. White has — as indeed most such proponents of the theory, Hapgood included — publicly recanted from his former views on PoleShift, which he now recognizes as an unscienific concept. We hope Graham Hancock will soon do the same, particularly because he now dropped his proposal of an Antarctic Atlantis, in favour of our own hypothesis of a Far Eastern one.

Velikovsky is another unusual character. A Russian Jew and an emigré to the US, his books became the delight of all inquisitive persons who, in the 1950's,were discontent with the obscurities of Academic Science. Among these, I should be counted, as his books opened my eyes to the inconsistencies of theories such as Darwin's Uniformitarian Geology and his theory of Evolution, based on precisely this false premise. The problem of Velikovsky was taking the catastrophic events he proposed as the literal truth. Moreover, as an orthodox Jew, Velikovsky also believed the dates and events of the Bible — ridiculously small by geological standards — to be actual facts which should be implicitly believed by all. Of course, most of his proposals proved to be false, excpt insofar as Catastrophism is concerned seems indeed to be one important feature not only of Evolution, but also of geology, in contrast to what Drawin and Lyell so emphatically argued. But his books — like the ones of Blavatsky and even Graham Hancock are a good read even today, as long as they are considered what they indeed are: pleasant Sci Fi, based on ill-digested pseudo-Science.



It was in the Orient (østen), and beyond, that agriculture (of rice and grains) and animal domestication were invented. These two crucial inventions allowed Man's fixation to the soil, and the resulting prosperity led to civilization and the founding of the first cities. It is exactly this fact that is related in the Bible, that attributes the foundation of the first city — called Henok or Chenok, ("the Abode of the Pure", in Dravida) — to Cain (Gen. 4:17). This end at the completion of its allotted time is what is meant by Henok's lifespan of "365 years".

This name ("Pure Land") of the very first of all cities is the same in Hindu traditions (Shveta-dvipa[1], Sukhavati, Atala, etc.). Even in the Amerindian traditions, Yvymaraney "the Land of the Pure", is the legendary birthplace of the Tupi-Guarani Indians of Brazil, just as Aztlan is the land of origin of the ancient Aztecs of Mexico, and Tollán is the one of the Mayas of Yucatan. Man — or, more exactly, the anthropoid simians that were our ancestors — in fact arose in Africa some 3 million years ago. But these anthropoids soon spread all over Eurasia and beyond, reaching the Far Orient and Australia, inclusive, by about 1 million years ago or even more.

Kilde: http://www.atlan.org/articles/true_history/

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De lyshårede guanchene på Kanariøyene utenfor kysten av Afrika hadde et språk, som var beslektet med den gamle vediske/indiske dialekten Dravidisk
The mysterious origin of the guanches

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Shveta-dvipa, the Hindu Paradise, was placed in the Ocean of Milk (Dugdha Samudra), just as in the Amerindian myths. This "milk" or "cream" is actually the scum of pumice stone (hvit, vulkansk "Pimpesten") which covered the seas of Atlantis, rendering them "inavigable", just as reported by Plato. The Hindu myth entitled The Churning of the Ocean of Milk allegorizes the sinking of Atlantis in the Flood. In this allegory Mt. Mandara (or Meru) replaces Mt. Atlas. The Turtle (Kurma, the second avatar of Vishnu) that dives to the bottom of the waters represents Atlantis sunken in the Ocean of Milk. Likewise, Vasuki (or Shesha, the King of the Nagas), the serpent that serves as the churning rope, represents Atlas in his serpentine avatar. In other words, the myth of The Churning of the Ocean of Milk is a Cosmogony, a poetic licence telling the destruction of Paradise (Atlantis) and the rebirth of the world from the fragments of the former one, destroyed in consequence of the war of the Gods and the Devils (Devas and Asuras).
http://www.lost-civilizations.net/atlantis-corroborating-evidence-page-8.html

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Den, synske Edgar Cayce (1887-1945) "så" Atlantis i et utall av sine "readings", og nå er dette samlet og systematisert i én bok.

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Edgar Cayce’s Atlantis
by Gregory L. Little, Ed.D., Lora Little, Ed.D., & John Van Auken
A.R.E. Press • 215 67th Street • Virginia Beach, VA 23451-2061
2006, 278 pages, $14.95 • ISBN: 0-87604-512-3
Website: http://www.edgarcayce.org

Reviewed by Brent Raynes


Edgar Cayce

The definitive books detailing Edgar Cayce’s story of Atlantis have—until now—been those by his son, Edgar Evans Cayce. But the last revision of Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited was in 1997. Since that time an amazing amount of progress has been made in researching Cayce’s Atlantis readings. Edgar Cayce’s Atlantis, a new ARE Press book, is truly a genuinely comprehensive tour de force compilation. It contains extraordinary information and even apparent prophetic insights documented from the vast and fascinating psychic readings of the renowned “Sleeping Prophet” Edgar Cayce. Greg and Lora Little and noted author John Van Auken tackle their assignment in a straight-forward, no-nonsense and aggressive manner. Not only do they immerse themselves in thousands of hours of extensive research and inquiry, but they also grapple the proverbial bull by the horns and, with passports in hand, leave their comfortable armchairs behind and go diving into the waters of the Bahamas, investigating the legendary Bimini Road and the apparent remains of an ancient seaport off of Andros Island that they helped discover, as well as drudging through the jungles of the Yucatan and Guatemala, and trekking across the desert sands of Egypt to gaze at pyramids and the Sphinx. These authors are not content with a superficial overview or a generalized assessment or summation of the facts. Their focus is direct, thorough, objective and to the point, and never waivers from carefully collecting and confronting hard facts and the possible consequences pro or con.

They begin our introduction into the mystery of Atlantis by exploring what the legendary Greek philosopher Plato said on this subject way back in 355 B.C. As the Plato material is reviewed and then the reader is exposed to the Cayce readings on Atlantis, it comes readily apparent that the Cayce material appears to complement Plato’s account. In addition, the Cayce readings also provide us with a rather mind-boggling history of our world, to put it mildly, that takes us way, way back before the presumed Atlantean era, back to 10.5 million years ago. Back then, according to Cayce, higher evolved energy beings—individualized “thought forms”—projected their consciousness into primitive life and matter. This process was called “involution” and according to Cayce this first involution happened in an ancient place called Mu or Lemuria. Presumably, the name Lemuria is derived from the primates of Madagascar that are called lemurs. In fact, the authors speculate that these small primates may have been among the first bodies to become inhabited by these energy beings. The Cayce material states that these beings “pushed” themselves into all variations of physical matter, into animals and into the elements. In addition, lemur also means “ghost,” which adds an interesting and suggestive twist to this part of the story.

The Cayce readings also describe two other later soul influxes. In the second one, 10 million years ago, the incoming beings decided to create physical bodies for themselves, bodies that initially ranged from small midget sized creatures to 10 or 12 foot tall giants. The third influx began with the foundation of Atlantis in 210,000 B.C., when more “perfected bodies” were manifested.

The third influx or involution of souls is the primary focus of this book. The authors engage in the arduous but crucial and necessary task of making critical correlations between the many remarkable dates and historical events cited in the Cayce readings and innumerable independentally confirmed historical accounts and confirmative scientific and archeologcal discoveries that seem to agree with the Cayce material.

While many of these readings were initially viewed as containing preposterous and impossible statements, time eventually brought out the proverbial truth, so to speak, and has reflected very favorably upon those controversial readings. For example, back when Cayce first described the midget-like creatures and the 10 to 12 foot tall giants that existed some 10 million years ago, this was not considered possible by the science of that time. Today, however, scientists accept the existence of pygmy-like hominids some nine to ten million years ago, and in 2005 McMaster University scientist Jack Rink reported on Gigantopithecus blacki, a giant ape that stood some 10 feet tall and has been found in the fossil record going back to at least 6.3 million years ago. While Cayce described the first perfected human bodies (homo sapiens) as first appearing in Atlantis in 106,000 B.C., modern science now agrees and states that homo sapiens appeared an estimated 100,000 years ago. Also the Cayce material describes ancient Atlantean migrations to various parts of the world, and the authors believe that they my have found documented genetic patterns that correlate with those migrations in the form of a specific mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) called haplogroup X. In addition, since 1997 archeology has broken the 9500 B.C. Clovis Barrier and recognizes that people came to the Americas much earlier—just as Cayce stated. Haplogroup X has been turning up everywhere where Cayce stated Atlanteans migrated and now the other dates from Cayce’s readings, like two races appearing in the South Pacific and the Caucasus Mountains in 50,000 B.C., are almost completely supported by modern archeology. Prior to 1997 such assertions would have been rejected and dismissed as lunatic fringe.

According to Cayce’s readings there were major migrations associated with three destructions of Atlantis. The first was around 50,000 B.C., the second around 28,000-22,006 B.C., and the final one—and largest—around 10,000 B.C., just before the final destruction of Atlantis. Interestingly, geneticists have noted that the largest migration of haplogroup X into America occurred around 10,400 B.C.! Cayce’s date for the final destruction of Atlantis circa 10,000 B.C. is very close to Plato’s (which was 9,600 B.C.). On top of all this, the authors speculate that the final destruction may have descended from the skies in the form of a large comet or meteor that reeked great catastrophe upon the eastern half of the U.S., creating the Carolina Bays and the Puerto Rican Trench. Though many people are not familiar with this event, the authors present a great deal of evidence that has been accumulated about this ancient cataclysmic event.

Throughout the pages of this remarkable book the authors take you on an unforgettably awesome journey across time and space to consider startling new possibilities that can now be gleaned in the light of modern discoveries in science and archeology. A hundred photographs and illustrations (some never before published) are contained within this fascinating book. Many of the photographs were taken by the author’s themselves at some of the exciting, important sites that they’ve personally visited and explored up close and personal, some located in very difficult, dangerous and hard to reach places, like Dr. Greg and Lora Little’s adventures in Piedras Negras, Guatemala.

Fortunately for most of us, we don’t have to leave our comfortable armchairs and risk life and limb to pursue these particular mysteries . All we have to do is lift a finger or two periodically to flip through the pages of this thought-provoking book and your mind and imagination will seem almost magically transported around the world and across the cosmos as you read about the most incredible historical events ever described. It gives a whole new meaning to that old expression: Truth may be stranger than fiction!

Kilde: http://www.mysterious-america.net/edgarcayce%27satla.html



De, som finner ovenstående bok interessant, vil kanskje også ha interesse for flg. bok av samme forfatter:



Survivors of Atlantis
Their Impact on World Culture
By Frank Joseph

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About Survivors of Atlantis
Explores scientific evidence from four cataclysmic events that led to the development of civilization and the downfall of Atlantis:

• The sequel and companion volume to The Destruction of Atlantis

• Studies the connections between the world-conquering war the Atlanteans launched and the quartet of natural catastrophes that ravaged the earth more than 5,000 years ago

• Demonstrates that the Atlanteans ran an imperial copper trade empire that stretched from North America to Asia Minor

Archaeologists have long puzzled over the evidence suggesting highly sophisticated copper mining activities in the area of the Great Lakes some 5,000 years ago. Menomonie Indian tradition speaks of fair skinned mariners who had come in the past to “dig out the shiny bones” of the Earth Mother. Plato, meanwhile, recorded that Atlanteans provided an exceptionally high grade of copper that was no longer available in his time. In this sequel to The Destruction of Atlantis, Frank Joseph argues that the Menomonie Indians’ mariners were Atlanteans and that the destruction of Atlantis by war and natural catastrophe brought about the end of Bronze Age civilization. Furthermore, Atlantis’s survivors dispersed to all sides of their former island empire into Western Europe, the Near East, and North and South America.


In Survivors of Atlantis Frank Joseph provides an in-depth study of the Atlantean war and the intimate connections it had with the last of four great cosmic catastrophes generated by the cyclical return of a comet and its debris. This quartet of natural disasters was followed by mass migrations recorded in the histories of such diverse peoples as the Incas of Peru, the Celtic Irish, the Classical Greeks, and the Aztecs of Mexico. Where the archaeology, mythology, astronomy, and geology of these cultures coincide, a common thread is exposed: Atlantis. Joseph shows that the fate of the Atlantean empire is the story of early civilization and reveals Atlantis to be a credible part of the world’s history.

Kilde: http://store.innertraditions.com/Product.jmdx?action=displayDetail&id=919&searchString=978-1-59143-040-7

Det er ikke noen eksakt vitenskap akkurat, dette. Men, en systematisering og tolkning av de gamle, verdensomspennende mytene om noe, som likner på Atlantismyten er jo interessant det det også, synes jeg.

Om noen her leser boken, er det interessant med litt feedback, her i tråden.

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Copper: a world trade in 3000 BC?
Philip Coppens skrev:
Europe’s economy between 2000 and 1000 BC stood and fell with copper, used for the creation of bronze. At the same time, large quantities of copper were mined in America, though no-one seems to know who was using it. A question of a world economy, and supply and demand?


The Mound Builders of Burlington Wisconsin
Mary Sutherland (Copyright 2004) skrev:
The chronological "coincidences" are too much for chance. In both Europe and the New World, at the very same time, Megalithic cultures arise around 4500 BC; then on both continents, at the very same time, copper-using Beaker-inspired cultures arise in 3000 BC. Next, the Beaker Groups flee from conquest in 1500 BC, and their Beaker cultural traits begin to be widespread in North America; finally in both Europe and the New World, at the very same time, Beaker-derived cultures collapse in 700 BC.

Gunnar Thompson writes in his AMERICAN DISCOVERY, Seattle, 1994, on p. 148, "Recent assays reveal that some of the copper artefacts found in N American burial mounds were made from zinc-copper alloys used in the Mediterranean . Ancient metal crafters added zinc to harden copper into a bronze alloy. The shapes of the copper tools found in American archaeological sites are identical to those of the ancient Mediterranean, including chisels, dagger blades, wedges, hoes, scythes, axes and spear points. These tools often have specific modifications, including the use of rivets, spines and sockets, all of which were characteristic of Mediterranean tools." And he includes an illustration on p. 149 portraying side by side copper tools from America and from the Mediterranean, including the above mentioned chisels, dagger blades, wedges, hoes, scythes, axes and spear points, and also adzes, chisels, draw knifes, spuds, sleeves, barbs, stems, and decorative pins. Attributions for these drawings are provided. The tools on both sides of the Atlantic look remarkably similar.





Product Description
A compelling new portrait of the lost realm of Lemuria, the original motherland of humanity

• Contains the most extensive and up-to-date archaeological research on Lemuria

• Reveals a lost, ancient technology in some respects more advanced than modern science

• Provides evidence that the perennial philosophies have their origin in Lemurian culture

Before the Indonesian tsunami or Hurricane Katrina’s destruction of New Orleans, there was the destruction of Lemuria. Oral tradition in Polynesia recounts the story of a splendid kingdom that was carried to the bottom of the sea by a mighty “warrior wave”--a tsunami. This lost realm has been cited in numerous other indigenous traditions, spanning the globe from Australia to Asia to the coasts of both South and North America. It was known as Lemuria or Mu, a vast realm of islands and archipelagoes that once sprawled across the Pacific Ocean. Relying on 10 years of research and extensive travel, Frank Joseph offers a compelling picture of this mother­land of humanity, which he suggests was the original Garden of Eden.

Using recent deep-sea archaeological finds, enigmatic glyphs and symbols, and ancient records shared by cultures divided by great distances that document the story of this sunken world, Joseph painstakingly re-creates a picture of this civilization in which people lived in rare harmony and possessed a sophisticated technology that allowed them to harness the weather, defy gravity, and conduct genetic investigations far beyond what is possible today. When disaster struck Lemuria, the survivors made their way to other parts of the world, incorporating their scientific and mystical skills into the existing cultures of Asia, Polynesia, and the Americas. Totem poles of the Pacific Northwest, architecture in China, the colossal stone statues on Easter Island, and even the perennial philosophies all reveal their kinship to this now-vanished civilization.

From the Back Cover

Long before Hurricane Katrina’s devastation of New Orleans, there was the destruction of Lemuria. Oral tradition in Polynesia recounts the story of a splendid kingdom carried to the bottom of the sea by a mighty “warrior wave” far greater than the tsunami that struck Indonesia in December 2004. This lost realm has been cited in numerous other indigenous traditions, spanning the globe from Australia and Asia to the coasts of both South and North America. It was known as Lemuria or Mu, a vast realm of islands and archipelagoes that once sprawled across the Pacific Ocean. Relying on ten years of research and extensive travel, Frank Joseph offers a compelling picture of this motherland of humanity, which he suggests was the original Garden of Eden.

Using recent deep-sea archaeological finds, enigmatic glyphs and symbols, and ancient records that document the story of this sunken world, Joseph painstakingly re-creates a picture of this civilization in which people lived in rare harmony and possessed a sophisticated technology that allowed them to harness the weather, defy gravity, and conduct genetic investigations far beyond what is possible today. When disaster struck Lemuria, the survivors made their way to other parts of the world, incorporating their scientific and mystical skills into the existing cultures of Asia, Polynesia, and the Americas. Totem poles of the Pacific Northwest, architecture in Thailand, the colossal stone statues on Easter Island, and even the perennial philosophies all reveal their kinship to this now-vanished civilization.

FRANK JOSEPH is the editor in chief of Ancient American magazine and the author of The Destruction of Atlantis, Survivors of Atlantis, and The Lost Treasure of King Juba. He lives in Colfax, Wisconsin.


About the Author
Frank Joseph is the editor in chief of Ancient American magazine and the author of The Destruction of Atlantis, Survivors of Atlantis, and The Lost Treasure of King Juba. He lives in Colfax, Wisconsin.


Excerpt. © Reprinted by permission. All rights reserved.

from Chapter Four

Ancient Oceanic Technology

We all agree that your theory is mad. The problem that divides us is this: Is it sufficiently crazy to be right?
--Niels Bohr

In our last several chapters, we described archeological ruins on the islands of Pohnpei (part of Micronesia) and Rapanui (Easter Island) as the remains of power stations erected by the Lemurians millennia ago to effect seismic and meteorological change. If these sites were the only evidence, they might be dismissed as the lonely outposts of some foreign civilization that established itself in isolation, utterly alien to anything known elsewhere. But additional evidence on behalf of that lost science has indeed been found, most dramatically at another obscure speck of territory in the southwestern Pacific.

Known until 1978 as the Isle of Pines, Kunie (pronounced KOO-nya) is inhabited by 1,500 Melanesian residents living on fifty-eight square miles of French Polynesia. The eight-by-ten-mile island has bewildered investigators since its discovery in 1774, because it is the only place in Oceania with stands of ancient pine trees (Araucaria cooki) named after the famous English explorer Captain James Cook. How they got there and why they continue to thrive on Kunie, but nowhere else throughout the vast Pacific, is an enigma that still eludes scientific explanation. They must have been brought to and planted at this Melanesian outpost in prehistory. But by whom, and for what purpose? The trees are gigantic, towering from heights of 90 to 135 feet, although their branches are only about six feet long. The titanic pines guard Kunie’s rocky coastline and sprout from the tops of small hills.

The curious little island suddenly multiplied its mystery in 1961, when a university-trained archeologist excavated some of the mounds that dot the Isle of Pines. They had never been professionally examined before, largely because the hillocks were presumed to be natural formations of some kind. Directors at the Museum of New Caledonia in Moumea, the capital city, wanted to know if the tumuli might have been used by native ancestors for burial, so Luc Chevalier was dispatched to retrieve what, if any, artifacts he might be able to find inside them.

Digging into the first mound he approached, Chevalier was surprised to discover a cement cylinder, two feet wide and seven feet long. Composed of an extremely hard, homogeneous lime mortar containing innumerable bits of shell, its exterior was speckled with silica and iron gravel fragments that appeared to have hardened the mortar as it set. Chevalier was inclined to dismiss the obviously manmade cylinder as a remnant of some modern historical, albeit unknown, but prosaic influences and went on to excavate another earthwork. In it he found a cement drum virtually identical to the first. With some astonishment, he gazed across the Kunie landscape, which rippled with 400 such tumuli, resembling a colony of giant ant hills. Could they all hide such anomalous cylinders? he wondered.

Chevalier hurried back across the forty miles of open water to Moumea with his specimens, where they were analyzed at the museum laboratories. Researchers there verified that samples from both cylinders were artificial, but they were not prepared for the results of radiocarbon dating of Kunie’s lime mortar. Repeated tests confirmed that the cement was nearly 13,000 years old. Chevalier was sent back to the Isle of Pines at the head of an archeological team intent on a more thorough excavation. As he suspected, each of the 400 mounds contained cement pillars all alike in construction, differing only in their dimensions. They ranged in size from forty inches to more than two feet across, with lengths from three feet to in excess of nine feet. Seventeen similar mounds were known to exist on New Caledonia itself, in an area known as Paiita, and Chevalier dug into them as well, scarcely able to imagine that they, too, might conceal such strange objects. He was not disappointed, however. At the center of each earthwork was entombed a column of cement.

Incredulous academicians refused to accept the artificiality of what Chevalier had discovered, simply because they were convinced that human habitation in the southwestern Pacific before 3,000 years ago was “ridiculously impossible.” Skeptics endeavored to explain away the cement cylinders by arguing they were actually nests made by some hypothetical species of extinct giant birds, a wildly ludicrous attempt to buoy up already moldy dogma banishing all considerations of early humans from Oceania. The skeptics insisted that the earliest use of cement went back hardly more than 2,000 years ago, to the engineers of ancient Rome. Yet here, in the southwestern Pacific, some maverick archeologists were spouting scientific heresy by claiming the natives of little Kunie had been mass-producing mortar cylinders at the end of the last ice age.

Neither Chevalier nor his detractors, however, were able to postulate the original utility of the lime-mortar columns. Childress, who visited the Isle of Pines in the mid-1980s, estimated their number at 10,000. While that amount seems excessive, they might approach a tenth as many. But again, why did someone go to the trouble of making hundreds of cement columns on this tiny backwater of an island? What purpose could they possibly have served? Their total lack of any adornment, ritual items, or human and animal remains proves they had no funereal or ceremonial functions. However, a clue may be found in those other anomalies shared in common at Kunie. Could its tall, deep-rooted pines have been deliberately planted along the coast by the same people who made the cement cylinders as an effective shield to protect their tumuli against the typhoons still known to ravage the island? It does at least seem oddly coincidental that two sets of features otherwise unique throughout the entire Pacific should be found together on the same obscure island, unless they were specifically intended from the beginning to complement each other.
Kilde: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/1591430607/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

Var Mu/Lemuria og Atlantis 2 forskjellige kulturer på samme kontinent, som "sank i havet" ved at havet steg brått og mye og laget den "syndefloden" vi leser om i bibelen og som også beskrives av utallige myter fra gamle kulturer verden rundt.

Er det ikke en del, som kan tyde på det?
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Det er nok ofte slik at løsningen er nærmere og mindre spennede enn man kunne ønske seg. Atlantis er øya Santorini i Middelhavet, der den minoske kulturen ble ødelagt av et kraftig vulkanutbrudd.
Minoerne hadde gode kontakter med egypterne, derfor ble historien om vulkanutrbruddet husket av det gamle Egypts lærde, altså prestene. Og det var fra dem Solon etter sigende fikk beretningen overlevert beretningen om Atlantis, som Platon dramatiserte, og laget en filosofisk lignelse ut av.
Tror nok ikke at det er mer komplisert.
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InnleggSkrevet: 08 03 10 00:59    Tittel: Svar med Sitat

Herodot skrev:
Det er nok ofte slik at løsningen er nærmere og mindre spennede enn man kunne ønske seg. Atlantis er øya Santorini i Middelhavet, der den minoske kulturen ble ødelagt av et kraftig vulkanutbrudd.


Det er i de minste en av flere teorier og påstander. Jeg er ingen ekspert på spørsmålet, men prof. Arysio Nunes dos Santos har hatt de mest overbevisende argumentene av det jeg har lest

Hjemmesiden hans er/var her: http://www.atlan.org/articles/true_history/

Jeg hadde litt kontakt med ham før han døde, ang. de lyshårede blåøyde guanchene på Kanariøyene og berberne i nordafrika med spekulasjoner om de kunne være etterkommere av Atlanterne, eller av skandinavere på ville veier, siden de utseendemessig skiller seg så markant fra andre mennesker i området. Men, han påpekte at språket deres viser tydelig likhet med den indiske dialekten dravidisk, hvilket kan styrke hans teori om at Atlantis lå i det indiske hav og ikke i Atlanteren.

Han har mye overbevisende dokumentasjon for sin teori. Men websiden bærer dessverre preg av ikke å vedlikeholdes lenger

Men han fikk samlet det meste i en bok, før han døde:



Introduction

"Unlocking the Secrets of Plato’s Lost Continent"

Atlantis, The Lost Continent Finally Found, released on August 2005, is Prof. Arysio Santos' latest work. Following the same line of thought that made his homonymous website become the most popular in its category, having received more than 2.5 million visits within the past few years, he explains in this book his Theory on Atlantis, using an infinitude of arguments, which range from the strictly scientific (such as Geology, Linguistics, and Anthropology) to the more arcane and occult ones.

A professional scientist with a PhD in Nuclear Physics and Free-Docency in Physical-Chemistry, the author has dedicated himself intensely to the study of the Atlantis problem, for about 30 years now. Being the first one to ever link the catastrophic events of the end of the last Ice Age (11.600 years ago) with the world-wide traditions of the universal Flood and the destruction of Atlantis, Prof. Santos managed to find a perfect site for the location of the Lost Continent. Such site strives unrivaled as being the most logical one ever proposed, matching all the features mentioned by the Greek philosopher Plato, as well as those cited by other sources.

The reader will be confronted with strongly based evidence of all sorts to the existence of Atlantis, written by a reputed scientist, enough to shake the beliefs of the most hard-core skeptic. This book should also please the fans of the occult and symbolic disciplines, as the author frequently interconnects them with Atlantis and explains their meaning. Illustrated with over 30 line-art figures and printed in high quality white paper, Prof. Santos’ book is a must for everyone interested in the subject of Atlantis and lost civilizations.

Use the links above for more information about this book, such as page samples and excerpts. If you are a book reviewer or journalist and are interested in reviewing this book in your publication, please review our Information for the Press: http://www.atlan.org/book/info.html

Her er Amazons beskrivelse av boken:

Product Description
Thousands of books have already been written on Atlantis since its reality was first disclosed by the great philosopher Plato, some two and a half millennia ago. Hence, one may well wonder whether a new book on the subject is really needed. Can anything new actually be said about Atlantis? The answer is a most categorical yes. After all, the riddle of Atlantis has never been satisfactorily solved so far. The present book is an attempt by a reputed scientist, to scientifically compare and refute,– perhaps for the first time ever, the various existing theories on Atlantis' location and reality. The author also expounds his own theory which definitively locates Atlantis in Indonesia. In his research, Prof. Santos marries the most recent results and techniques of Modern Science to the sacred and folk lore of all the peoples of the world, knitting humanity together in a solution to the riddle of Atlantis that neatly ties together the vast scientific and traditional evidence which was always there but never before seen by other researchers. The reader, whether a scientist with an open mind or a lay person, is led to conclude that Plato could well have been telling the truth, after all, since the information provided by the great philosopher is so uncannily confirmed by the recent scientific finds of all sorts.

About the Author
Prof. Arysio Nunes Santos, the author of the present book, has published numerous other books and articles on Science and Engineering, as well as on arcane subjects such as Mythology, Symbolism, Alchemy, the Holy Grail, Comparative Religion, etc.. A professional nuclear physicist and geologist with a Ph. D. in Nuclear Physics and a Free-Docency in Physical-Chemistry, Prof. Santos has dedicated himself intensely to a close study of Plato'’s texts and the problem of Atlantis. His Internet Site on Atlantis, atlan.org, has received over 2.5 million visits in the last few years, being by far the most popular resource in that medium



Atlantis was never found because we have all been looking in the wrong places. Realizing that, we started to look for the spot where an entire sunken continent could be hiding itself. Geology afforded the correct, irrefutable answer: down under the South China Sea, that is where. The rest followed quite naturally and, in fact, far more serendipitously than we ourselves could ever have imagined beforehand
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Selve teorien hans er ikke så ueffen, men da spørs det hva du legger i begrepet Atlantis. Platons myte? Eller at et landområde utenfor Indonesia skal ha sunket i havet, og en lokal kultur, en lokal stormakt, skal ha gått tapt ?
Platons Atlantis kan det ikke ha vært, Platon sier at det lå vest for Herkules støttene, altså vest for Gibraltar. Og jeg tror nok det er bevist ganske så sikkert at noe kontinet aldri har lagt der!
Men myter vandrer, som mytene om syndefallet og syndefloden, vi finner den også i det Sumeriske eposet Gilgamesh, ikke bare i Bibelen.
Det fører det hele inn på et annet tema, nemlig hvor kom Abraham og dermed indirkete judaismen og kristendommen fra ? Jo, Abraham var fra Ur i Kaldea, og før Kalderne kom var det en av Sumers sterke byer. Og Eden, sumerernes E-den, jo det var det fruktbare landet innerst i Persiabukta som havet tok når det steg, en gammel myte med andre ord, som ble satt inn i en religiøs kontekst. Har kristendommen opprinnelig en sumerisk opprinnelse?
Slik sett kan myten om Atlantis også stamme fra sør-øst asia, og så har den gjennom årtusener vandret vestover til Egypt, der Solon fikk høre den, men da ikledd den egyptiske sivilisasjonens form, og senere den greske når Platon presenterer den.
Hva angår guanchene, så er de nok et "steianalderfolk", de hadde kun steinredskaper, og kjente ikke båtbyggerkunsten en gang, de var nok fjernt beslektet med berberne. Så spør deg heller i så fall, hvor kom berberne fra ? Det er et interessant spørsmål, men jeg tviler sterkt på at de kom fra Atlantis.
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