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Hvor kommer ordet Skandinavia fra og hva betyr det?

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InnleggSkrevet: 31 10 10 17:48    Tittel: Hvor kommer ordet Skandinavia fra og hva betyr det? Svar med Sitat

Forfatteren Stephen Knapp spekulerer over ordet Skandinavias røtter og betydning i sin bok "Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence"

Og i tråd med bokens tema, henviser han til at det i vedisk mytologi, fortelles at den verdensomspennende vediske militærmakten også hadde en flåtebase langt mot nord. Og siden marineflåte på Sanskrit heter "naviya", og den vediske krigsguden het "Skanda" ble navnet på den vediske, nordlige marineflåtebase til noe á lá "Skanda's naviya".
Besnærende. Og i tråd med bokens tema, men det har ikke lykkes meg å få Stephen Knapps teori bekreftet. Ei heller gjennom indere på nettet, som er bevandret i både Sanskrit og vedisk historie og mytologi, skjønt enkelte av dem har i det minste syntes at teorien var interessant. De etymologiske verk jeg har forsøkt gir ingen god alternativ forklaring på ordet, og gir mest inntrykk av å være løse spekulasjoner, såsom at roten til ordet er herledet fra den sydlige svenske landsdelen "Skåne"

Så er det noen her, som klarer å finne en god forklaring på hvor ordet "Skandinavia" kommer fra og hva det opprinnelig betegnet?

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InnleggSkrevet: 31 10 10 22:44    Tittel: Svar med Sitat

Videre googling på "ethymological origin of scandinavia vedic skanda's navy" bekreftet Stephan Kapp's tolkning:

Skanda is the son of Lord Siva. Naviya is Sanskrit for naval settlement. Scandinavians were the mariner descendants of the Vedic ksatriyas who worshipped Skanda


Vi er altså sjøfarende etterkommere av de gamle, (vediske) inderne som hadde en flåtebase her, om dette holder vann? Spennende! Wink


Kshatriya or Kashtriya meaning warrior is one of the four varnas (social orders) in Hinduism

In the book India in Greece Edward Pococke observes that European, Scandinavian, and Indian Kshatriya warrior castes are identical.

The word Viking (king) comes from Simha meaning Lion, Simha is pronounced, as Singa then changing "S" to "K" it becomes King. Thus Vikings were considered Lion like Warriors, like the Singh's from Punjab in India.

Ireland is mispronunciation of Sanskrit term Aryasthan meaning land of Aryan (Vedic) Culture.

In the book Collectania De Rebus Hibernicus by Lt. Gen. Charles Vallancey, he explains how "ancient Druids religion of Britons was founded on that of ancient Irish, which was in great part that of the no other means the deities of Brahmins could have been recorded in Irish manuscripts". This books further notes, "Sir William Jones allows the Irish language great affinity with Sanskrit".

Vallacy further notes, "The Irish and Welsh complain of the devastation of their manuscripts by the Christian missionaries, like Danes, Norwegians and others."

"I am convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the river Ganges" (Voltaire)

"India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of European languages. She was the mother of our philosophy … of our mathematics … of the ideals embodied in Christianity … of self government and democracy…mother India is in many ways the mother of us all." (William Durant. Author of the ten volume, story of civilisation)

"Everything, absolutely everything is of Indian origin." (Friedrich Schlegel)

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InnleggSkrevet: 31 10 10 23:28    Tittel: Christ-Krishna Connection Similarities in Life & Teachin Svar med Sitat

Christ-Krishna Connection
Similarities in the Life & Teachings of Christ & Krishna

Despite their differences, Hinduism and Christianity have great similarities. And this is particularly prominent in the case of the life and teachings of the two central figures of these world religions — Christ and Krishna.

French historian Alain Danielou had noticed as early as 1950 that "a great number of events which surround the birth of Christ - as it is related in the Gospels - strangely reminded us of Buddha's and Krishna's legends." Danielou quotes as examples the structure of the Christian Church, which resembles that of the Buddhist Chaitya; the rigorous asceticism of certain early Christian sects, which reminds one of the asceticism of Jain and Buddhist saints; the veneration of relics, the usage of holy water, which is an Indian practice, and the word "Amen," which comes from the Hindu (Sanskrit) "OM."

Another historian, Belgium's Konraad Elst, also remarks "that many early Christian saints, such as Hippolytus of Rome, possessed an intimate knowledge of Brahmanism." Elst even quotes the famous Saint Augustine who wrote: "We never cease to look towards India, where many things are proposed to our admiration."

Unfortunately, remarks American Indianist David Frawley, "from the second century onwards, Christian leaders decided to break away from the Hindu influence and show that Christianity only started with the birth of Christ." Hence, many later saints began branding Brahmins as "heretics," and Saint Gregory set a future trend by publicly destroying the "pagan" idols of the Hindus.

Great Indian sages, such as Sri Aurobindu and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, the founder of the Art of Living, have often remarked that the stories recounting how Jesus came to India to be initiated are probably true. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar notes, for instance, that Jesus sometimes wore an orange robe, the Hindu symbol of renunciation of the world, which was not a usual practice in Judaism. "In the same way," he continues, "the worshiping of Virgin Mary in Catholicism is probably borrowed from the Hindu cult of Devi." Bells too, which cannot be found today in Synagogues, the surviving form of Judaism, are used in church-and we all know their importance in Buddhism and Hinduism for thousands of years, even up to the present day.

Similarities in just the names of 'Christ' and 'Krishna' have enough fuel for the curious mind to prod into the proposition that they were indeed one and the same person. Although there is little historical evidence, it is hard to ignore a host of likenesses between Jesus Christ and Lord Krishna. Analyze this!

  • Both are believed to be sons of God, since they were divinely conceived
  • The birth of both Jesus of Nazareth and Krishna of Dwarka and their God-designed missions were foretold
  • Both were born at unusual places — Christ in a lowly manger and Krishna in a prison cell
  • Both were divinely saved from death pronouncements
  • Evil forces pursued both Christ and Krishna in vain
  • Christ is often depicted as a shepherd; Krishna was a cowherd
  • Both appeared at a critical time when their respective countries were in a torpid state
  • Both died of wounds caused by sharp weapons — Christ by nails and Krishna by an arrow
  • The teachings of both are very similar — both emphasize love and peace
  • Krishna was often shown as having a dark blue complexion — a color close to that of Christ

Similarity in Names
Christ comes from the Greek word 'Christos', which means "the anointed one". Again, the word 'Krishna' in Greek is the same as 'Christos'. A colloquial Bengali rendering of Krishna is 'Kristo', which is the same as the Spanish for Christ — 'Cristo'.

The father of the Krishna Consciousness Movement AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada once remarked: "When an Indian person calls on Krishna, he often says, Krsta. Krsta is a Sanskrit word meaning attraction. So when we address God as Christ, Krsta, or Krishna we indicate the same all-attractive Supreme Personality of Godhead. When Jesus said, 'Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be Thy name', the name of God was Krsta or Krishna."

Prabhupada further says: "'Christ' is another way of saying Krsta and Krsta is another way of pronouncing Krishna, the name of God…the general name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose specific name is Krishna. Therefore whether you call God 'Christ', 'Krsta', or 'Krishna', ultimately you are addressing the same Supreme Personality of Godhead…Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu said: namnam akari bahu-dha nija-sarva-saktis. (God has millions of names, and because there is no difference between God's name and Himself, each one of these names has the same potency as God.)"

God or Man?

According to Hindu mythology, Krishna was born on earth so that the balance of good in the world could be restored. But, there are many conflicting theories regarding his Godhood. Although, Krishna's story depicts him as the ultimate Lord of the Universe, whether Krishna himself is God or man is still a contentious matter in Hinduism.

Hindus believe that Jesus, like Lord Krishna, is just another avatar of the Divine, who came down to show humanity in the righteous way of life. This is another point where Krishna resembles Christ, a figure who is both "fully human and fully divine."

Krishna and Jesus were both saviors of mankind and avatars of God who have returned to earth at an especially critical time in the lives of their people. They were the incarnates of the Divine Being Himself in human form to teach human beings divine love, divine power, divine wisdom, and lead the benighted world towards the light of God.

Similarity in Teachings

These two most admired of religious icons also claim to hold the completeness of their religions by themselves. It's interesting to note how alike each one spoke in the Bhagavad Gita and the Holy Bible about the righteous way of life.

Lord Krishna says in the Gita: "Whenever, O Arjuna, righteousness declines and unrighteousness prevails, my body assumes human form and lives as a human being." He also says, "In order to protect the righteousness and also to punish the wicked, I incarnate myself on this earth from time to time." Similarly, Jesus said: "If God were your Father, ye would love me; for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself but He sent me."

At many places in the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna said about His oneness with God: "I am the way, come to Me…Neither the multitude of gods, nor great sages know my origin, for I am the source of all the gods and great sages." In the Holy Bible, Jesus also utters the same in his Gospels: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well…"


Om andre paradokser:

Jesus' and Krishna's mothers were holy virgins:
Actually, the virginal state of Mary when she conceived Jesus is a matter of debate. Paul and the author(s) of the Gospel of John appear to directly reject the concept. The author of the Gospel of Mark appears to have been unaware of it. The authors of Matthew and Luke accepted the belief. Christians today are divided.
The virginal state of Devaki is also a matter of debate.
One tradition states that Krishna was her eighth child. Another states that it was a virgin birth: "In the context of myth and religion, the virgin birth is applied to any miraculous conception and birth. In this sense, whether the mother is technically a virgin is of secondary importance to the fact that she conceives and gives birth by some means other than the ordinary....the divine Vishnu himself descended into the womb of Devaki and was born as her son Krishna."
Jesus' and Krishna's mothers had similar names: Miriam (Mary) and Maia
In reality, Krishna's mother may have been referred to as Maia, but only because this is the Hindi word for "mother." His mother's actual name was Devaki; his foster mother's name was Yashoda.

Er altså kristendommen en overlevert versjon av den 3000 år eldre Krihsna-religionen?
Tanken er jo nærliggende. Men 3000 år er veldig lang tid. Og det fantes vel, såvidt vi vet ikke nedskrevne detaljer om Krishna tilgjengelig i Israel på Jesu tid? Så hvordan kunne de tidlige kristne kopiere forhistorien, så nøyaktig?

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